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Tropical Carnival vs Kaytee Fiesta food?

I was at the pet store earlier to buy some more food for my girls. Disappointingly, a lot was sold out and they only had two different brands of mouse food in stock. I normally get Tropical Carnival Gourmet Pet Mouse & Rat food. Today, I bought Kaytee Fiesta Mouse and Rat food. I'll list the ingredients and analysis of both below. Is the Kaytee Fiesta mix okay?

Guaranteed Analysis
Tropical Carnival
Crude Protein (min) 14.0%
Crude Fat (min) 7.0%
Crude Fiber (max) 9.0%
Moisture (max) 12.0%
Calcium (min) 0.25%
Calcium (max) 0.75%
Phosphorus (min) 0.35%
Vitamin A (min) 2,000 IU/kg.
Docosahexanoeic acid (DHA) (min) 0.03%
Pediococcus acidilactici (min) 7,500,000 CFU/lb.
Contains a source of viable, naturally occurring microorganisms.

Kaytee Fiesta
Crude Protein (min.) 13.5%
Crude Fat (min.) 7.0%
Crude Fiber (max.) 10.0%
Moisture (max.) 12.0%
Omega-3 Fatty Acids (min.) 0.15%
Total Bacillus Species (min.) 50,000 CFU/gram
(B. licheniformis, B. subtilis; CFU - Colony Forming Units)
Fructooligosaccharide (min.) 0.08%

Ingredients
Tropical Carnival
Oat Groats, Wheat, White Milo, Corn, Striped Sunflower Seeds, Buckwheat, Dried Peas, Mixed Feed Nuts, Peanuts, Dried Carrots, Dried Lentils, Dried Maple Peas, Raisins, Pumpkin Seeds, Dried Banana, Dried Papaya, Dried Pineapple, Rice, Wheat Flour, Ground Corn, Ground Oats, Corn Gluten Meal, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Soybean Oil (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Dicalcium Phosphate, Brewers Dried Yeast, Calcium Carbonate, Menhaden Fish Oil (Source of DHA & Omega 3 Fatty Acids), Fructooligosaccharide, L-Lysine, Salt, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (Source of Vitamin C), Thiamine Mononitrate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Choline Chloride, Manganese Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, DL-Methionine, Zinc Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Dried Pediococcus acidilactici Fermentation Product, Biotin, Folic Acid, Lecithin, Mixed Tocopherols (a preservative), Yucca Schidigera Extract, Rosemary Extract, Artificial Banana Flavor, Colors Added (Titanium Dioxide, Beta-Carotene, Red 40, Blue 1, Yellow 5 and Yellow 6) and Sulfur Dioxide (a preservative).

Kaytee Fiesta
Corn, Ground Corn, Wheat, Sunflower Seed, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Rolled Oats, Oat Groats, Shelled Peanuts, Sun-cured Alfalfa Meal, Rolled Barley, Milo, Millet, Ground Wheat, Whole Peanuts, Ground Oats, Dried Bananas, Dehydrated Carrots, Raisins, Dried Papaya, Green Split Peas, Pumpkin Seeds, Yellow Peas, Wheat Middlings, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Ground Rice, Dried Pineapple, White Northern Beans, Ground Flax Seed (Source of Omega-3), Salt, Soybean Oil, Corn Gluten Meal, Dried Cane Molasses, Ground Peanuts, Dried Molasses Beet Pulp, Dextrose, Fructooligosaccharide, Almond Slices, Dried Whole Egg, L-Lysine, Maltodextrins, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Supplement, Choline Chloride, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Yeast Extract, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Brewers Dried Yeast, Wheat Germ Meal, Titanium Dioxide (Color), Sesame Seed, Partially Hydrogenated Palm Oil, Mixed Tocopherols (Preservative), Ferrous Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Dried Reduced Lactose Whey, Dried Nonfat Yogurt Powder, Zinc Oxide, Manganous Oxide, Niacin, Copper Sulfate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity), Rosemary Extract, Citric Acid, Calcium Pantothenate, Cholecalciferol (Source of Vitamin D3), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vanilla, Folic Acid, Calcium Iodate, Biotin, Cobalt Carbonate, Beta-Carotene, Sodium Selenite, Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus licheniformis Fermentation Product, Natural Flavor, Dried Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Product, FD&C Yellow #5, FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue #1, FD&C Red #3, FD&C Yellow #6 Lake.

Best mouse food (from Walmart only!)

For CallaLily and anyone else who can't see the links I'll paste the ingredients and analysis of the foods here:

Bonanza Hamster
Crude protein (minimum) - 12.5%.
Crude fat (minimum) - 5.5%.
Crude fiber (maximum) - 11%.

Ingredients: Wheat Middlings, Whole Wheat, Whole Com, Ground Corn, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Red Milo, Cracked Corn, White Millet, Green Split Peas, Oat Groats, Black Oil Sunflower Seeds, Pumpkin Seeds, Soybean Hulls, Soy Flour, Striped Sunflower Seeds, Shelled Peanuts, Toasted Corn Flakes, Soybean Oil, Roasted Soybeans, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Dried Bananas, Corn Gluten Meal, Rolled Oats, Raisins, Calcium Carbonate, Beet Molasses, Dried Papaya, Dried Carrots, Navy Beans, Cane Molasses, Dicalcium Phosphate, Wheat Flour, Dried Whey, Choline Chloride, Salt, Brewers Dried Yeast, Mineral Oil, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Vitamin E Supplement, Potassium Chloride, L-Lysine, Ferrous Sulfate, Kaolin, Magnesium Oxide, Calcium Propionate (a preservative), Color Added (Yellow #5, Blue #1, Yellow #6, Titanium Dioxide, Red #40, Red #3), Corn Distillers Dried Grains, Sodium Selenite, DL-Methionine, Niacin Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Zinc Oxide, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganous Oxide, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Rice Hulls, Biotin, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin A Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Propionic Acid (a preservative), Folic Acid, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Mixed Tocopherols (a preservative), Cobalt Carbonate, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Silicon Dioxide, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Citric Acid (a preservative), Vegetable Oil, Rosemary Extract, Sodium Selenate, Calcium Iodate.

Wild Harvest Hamster and Gerbil
This is all they provide on the link:

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I need some help naming my mice!

I'm not sure what to pick for mouse #2, and you've already picked for mouse #1, but for mouse #3, I like fawn, it just fits her personality

Good luck picking names!

Are Potatoes and "tomato pomace" Safe for Mice?

Hello, I'm looking into an organic/natural dog food that I could give my mice as treats once in a while. However, potatoes and tomato pomace appear pretty high up on the ingredient list. I was wondering if anyone knows if these ingredients are safe? I know that tomatoes should be avoided but would it be a big issue if it was in a dog food?

Here are the ingredient lists:

Food #1:
Lamb meal, brown rice, pearled barley, oatmeal, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), tomato pomace, fish oil, potassium chloride, yucca plant extract, choline chloride, calcium propionate, vitamin C, vitamin A, vitamin D, vitamin E, thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, pyridoxine, vitamin B12, d-pantothenic acid, folic acid, d-biotin, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, iodine, cobalt, selenium, blueberries, raspberries, cranberries, taurine, glucosamine

Food #2:
Potato, wild herring meal and/or wild anchovy meal and/or wild sardine meal, tomato pomace, chicken fat, (preserved with mixed tocopherols), fish oil, dicalcium phosphate, choline chloride, calcium propionate, yucca plant extract, minerals (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, iodine, cobalt, selenium), vitamins (vitamin E, riboflavin, niacin, d–pantothenic acid, thiamine, vitamin A, pyridoxine, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3), glucosamine.

Food #3:
Potato, chicken meal, chicken fat, (preserved with mixed tocopherols), whole blueberries, potassium chloride, methionine, choline chloride, calcium propionate, minerals, (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate,, iodine, cobalt, selenium) vitamins (vitamin E, riboflavin, niacin, d–pantothenic acid, thiamine, vitamin A, pyridoxine, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, yeast extract (a source of prebiotics), glucosamine

Food #4:
Chicken meal, pearled barley, oat meal, brown rice, potato flour, chicken fat(preserved with mixed tocopherols), tomato pomace, wild herring meal and/or wild anchovy meal and/or wild sardine meal, fish oil, potassium chloride, methionine, cranberries, blueberries, raspberries, kelp, choline chloride, calcium propionate, sage extract, rosemary extract, garlic oil, minerals (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, iodine, cobalt, selenium), vitamins (vitamin E, vitamin C, riboflavin, niacin, d-pantothenic acid, thiamine, vitamin A, pyridoxine), folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, glucosamine.

Thank you!

Post your pics for Mouse of the Month!!!

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Pic #5: HoneyBee and Peach

Pic #6: Sleepy little angel, Bitsy

Pic #7: Bitsy being the cutest

Pic #8: Rocky

Pic #9: Flynn is still being so darn cute

Pic #10: Patches on her coconut

Pic #11: Gingernut poking her head out

Pic #12: Annie

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Post your favorite mouse pictures here (or PM them to a mod if you prefer), old ones or new ones, by January 15, 2017. On the 15th, we'll update this thread with a poll. Winner will get a profile badge and be featured in the forum banner!

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I really, really do not recommend it.

#1: It won't fit snugly enough to make it escape proof (mice are much smaller than most hamsters, and certainly more svelte). The mouse could wriggle out and escape. A domestic mouse getting lost outdoors wouldn't have a good survival rate.

#2: The mouse likely wouldn't enjoy it. Mice are somewhat agoraphobic - they don't feel safe in big open spaces, as they are more vulnerable to predators. Even in the wild mice tend to stay under cover, along the edges of walls, or near objects to stay more hidden - and they run. A leisurely walk out in the open is a nightmare for a mouse.

#3: You could step on your mouse.

#4: You can't control what your mouse will come into contact with. Cats, or other predators (which at the very least could make your mouse feel stressed). Droppings/urine of wild mice - which could spread diseases or parasites. Puddles or rain, which could make your mouse sick if he got wet. The cold. And that's just 3 things.

#5: Mice are fundamentally home-bodies. They do not like to be away from home, in environments that they are not used to, for long periods of time. It can be quite stressful for them.

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I just don't think it's a good idea. I know you mean well, and are just trying to think of fun ways to interact with your mouse, so maybe consider other things like creating a "mouse playground" for him to explore, on a table top or in a playpen or bathtub

EDIT: Oops, didn't see EverythingAnimals post. Sorry for repeating things!

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Favorite Video Games

Mine are:

#1: Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
#2: Animal Crossing: New Leaf
#3 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
#4: Luigi's Mansion
#5 Super Smash Bros. for Wii U

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Thanks for sharing

I haven't played Pokemon Explorers of Sky so I might have to check that out!

My gaming journey began later than most people's I guess. I never owned a console or played games until I was 17 and I got a Nintendo DS from my parents for Christmas. The three games I got were The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, Animal Crossing: Wild World, and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team. Thus began my love for three games series: Legend of Zelda, Animal Crossing and Pokemon (though to be fair I used to love the Pokemon anime and collecting the cards when I was like 8 hehe).

It'll be hard to narrow it down to five games... there are so many great games out there! But I'll give it a go! In no particular order...

#1: The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker. I love all the Zelda games but I had to pick one. I love the art style of Wind Waker and I just think this game has so much character. I loved exploring the open sea and discovering all the little islands. I just love Zelda and I remember having a lot of fun playing this game so it'll always be one of my faves.

#2: Animal Crossing: New Leaf. I first played Animal Crossing Wild World and fell in love with it - I played sooo many hours on that game. After that I played City Folk but I just felt like it wasn't as fun and really didn't play much. When New Leaf came out I just fell in love with Animal Crossing again, and it was (in my opinion) the best one ever.

#3: Ori and the Blind Forest: The prettiest, most atmospheric, beautiful game ever. I just loved it. I found it really moving at times and I won't lie - I had a teary eye more than once. It was pretty tricky at times but really satisfying when I beat the hard bits. Loved the music. Just beautiful.

#4: World of Goo. This is a weird choice. It's quite a casual indie game, but there's just something really unique about it. The art style is kinda creepy and Tim Burton-esque, as is the music. It's basically a physics-based game where you have to drag and connect pieces of goo... But it's just awesome lol.

#5: Undertale. This game is so unique and weird and quirky. The story is so great and I loved taking the pacifist route and making friends with all the monsters. I have two undertale posters lol.

#6: Layers of Fear. (oops this is more than 5). Technically I didn't play this game. My boyfriend and I have a hobby of playing all the scariest video games we can find. He plays through them but we do it together. This is the best horror game we've ever played - and we've played a lot. It starts out fairly standard, but the deeper you go into it, the more trippy and bizarre it gets. Genuinely creepy. We had so much fun and a lot of jump-scares playing this game, so I'll always have fond memories of it.

#7: Pokemon. I wanna pick a particular game but I just can't choose. Maybe Pokemon X because I'm a sucker for the cute stuff and loved Pokemon amie lol.

There's more I could have mentioned but those are the main ones lol.

3-D pet products premium parakeet food?

While I am going to change to vitakraft vitasmart parakeet food as soon as possible, I remembered that my mother keeps parakeets and decided to look at what she's feeding them so I can try it out sooner.

Crude protein (min) 10.0%
Crude fat (min) 4.0%
Crude fiber (max) 10.0%

Millet, Oat Groats, Canary Grass Seed, Ground Corn, Ground Wheat, Soybean Meal, Dicalcium Phosphate, Brewers Dried Yeast, Calcium Carbonate, Dried Cane Molasses, Soybean Oil, Dried Egg Product, Flaxseed Meal, Salt, L-Lysine Hydrochloride, DL-Methionine, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Stabilized Rice Bran, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Niacin, Vitamin A Supplement, Fish Oil, Sodium Selenite, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source Of Vitamin K Activity), Biotin Supplement, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product, Dried Bifido Bacterium Thermophilum Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus Fermentation Product, Copper Proteinate, Folic Acid, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Rubbed Sage, Zinc Proteinate, Cobalt Proteinate, Calcium Iodate, Citric Acid (A Preservative), Lecithin, Rosemary Extract, Added FD&C Colors (Red #3, Red #40, Titanium Oxide, Yellow #5, Blue #10), Artificial Flavor.

Here's the website for more info: http://www.3dpetproducts.com/products/parakeet-food/

Jelly's belly, literally

Yes, a broken champange. The "tan" refers to the distinct belly coloring, in this case also broken. See picture #3. Unless I am completely misunderstanding the description of "Tan" and "Broken Tan" in the article on mouse varieties. Which is a definite possibility.

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Soren- I never would have thought you are a boy. I think your hair is super cool, it really suits you!

CinnamonPearl - it sounds like you and I have the exact same taste in games :O My favourite games are Zelda, Ori, Pokemon, Undertale and lots of indie games

#1: I'm from a town called Bristol in the south west of England. Bristol has a harbour, and has a history of piracy. The famous pirate Blackbeard came from Bristol, and the typical "pirate accent" (arrr, me matey) is based on the Bristolian accent. I love this town and never want to live anywhere else.

#2: My favourite place to go on holiday is Greece. I love greek mythology, I love the landscapes there, I love their food, the people, the culture. I have visited 6 Greek islands so far, and plan to visit many more in my life.

#3: I am the biggest Disney fan you will ever meet. There's nothing I don't know about Disney. My favourite films are Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid and Frozen. I was once paid to attend a little girl's birthday party dressed as Princess Elsa. I have never been to Disneyworld and it is my biggest dream to go (I'd also like to be proposed to in front of the castle there, shhh).

#4: I am 25 years old and have been with my boyfriend since I was 17 (that's 8 years). We have been close friends since we were 14. He is literally like the male version of me. We are both mad about animals and are hoping to get a puppy together later this year, when we get a house together

#5: I have a degree in Psychology and used to work in mental health. I suffer from a bunch of mysterious health issues, so I quit my job. This caused me to reassess my whole career plan... I decided to focus on what makes me happy. Animals! So I hope to start my own dog walking and pet sitting/boarding company soon